Although officially taken into IJN service, Bismarck never returns to combat status; the expense and difficulty of refit prove too much for the Japanese. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. Large and with effective subdivisions, neither German ship suffers lethal damage. He serves as a Senior Lecturer at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. He blogs at Lawyers, Guns and Money, Information Dissemination and the Diplomat. Bismarck was commissioned in 1940, Yamato in late 1941. The Germans open fire first, when it becomes apparent that they cannot escape the fight. We will assume for our purposes that Germany would construct ships akin to the Bismarck and Tirpitz, and then deploy them to the Far East (in a shorter Great War, Germany might well have retained the naval base at Tsingtao). Thread Status: Not open for further replies. A boarding party from Yukikaze embarks upon the crippled German ship, followed by damage control parties from the rest of the Japanese squadron. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. Still, both German battleships remain shockingly resistant to the damage inflicted by the IJN. We also assume that they represent the early stages of German fast battleship design, meaning that the more powerful ships will remain in the Atlantic. That's going to make it finding Bismarck much easier than Seetakt will be for finding North Carolina. As all who have stated with hard, technical facts above, few (if any) of the big-gun warships ever created would have a chance against Yamato in a 1 vs 1 gun duel. Yamato’s 18.1-inch guns were the largest ever mounted on a warship. Bismarck vs. Yamato: What if Hitler's Biggest Battleship Attacked Japan's Monster Warship? The Japanese advantages soon tell, and fire from both German ships becomes sporadic and inaccurate. At this point, the situation becomes academic. Bismarck vs. Yamato. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. By contrast, the 18.1” hits begin to do serious damage immediately, plunging into the German ships at great range. The mythology that surrounds Bismarck stems largely from the destruction of just one ship. 3. Large and with effective subdivisions, neither German ship suffers lethal damage. The long-legged German battleships, designed for raiding, would take to Pacific service well. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Battleship Shootout: KM Bismarck vs. USS Iowa vs. IJN Yamato vs. HMS King George V September 28, 2012 in General Topics The battleship , moreso than any kind of warship–excepting perhaps the man O’ war –was often the visual representation of a country’s military might. Bismarck is far better in fire control than Yamato (assuming 1941 for both). The fifteen-inch guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz fire at a greater rate than the Japanese guns, but even when they hit, they do relatively little damage to the vitals of the Japanese ships (although they extensively scar the upper works). Bismarck was a fantastic-looking ship, although I think Yamato has a handsome look to her too, in a massive, awe-inspiring kinda way. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Lutjens decides to attack before Japanese cruisers and destroyers can close into torpedo range; German intelligence is well-apprised of the capabilities of the Type 93 torpedo, designed to destroy and disable capital ships at a distance. So let’s forget World of Warships and the lists of stats for a minute and take a glance at history. Yamato and Musashi (both of which have suffered significant damage to their upper works and secondary armaments) close to point blank range. Zarówno klasy Bismarcka, jak i Yamato zostały zbudowane tak, aby radziły sobie z marynarkami numerycznie lepszymi od swoich. Neither is going to completely protect the ship from heavy hits at long range regardless of the paper figures usually cited. The battle between the smaller ships also begins to go the Japanese way. With Kido Butai (the Japanese carrier force) engaged elsewhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy assigns HIJMS Yamato and HIJMS Musashi (with a similarly constituted support group) the task of catching and destroying the German ships. The long-legged German battleships, designed for raiding, would take to Pacific service well. Two hours into the engagement, an explosion rocks Tirpitz; the crippled battleship soon capsizes and sinks. Increasingly accurate Japanese fire devastates the upper works of the German ships. The destroyers Yukikaze and Isokaze brave the secondary armament of the two German behemoths to close within torpedo distance, hitting both targets. The remaining Japanese cruisers and destroyers, having disposed of their German counterparts, open up with their own guns and fire their remaining torpedoes. The German ships lose the capacity to meaningfully engage the Japanese, and are subjected to withering fire from the battleships. However, the Japanese have a clear geographic advantage; the existence of relatively close bases means that they can station squadrons of older, smaller ships along potential channels of exit. Now Bismarck vs an Iowa class....that would be a good comparison. The Bismarcks carried about nineteen thousand tons of armor, albeit in an archaic configuration by World War II standards. the Yamato would win 8-10 times a med or close fight on a level playing field but the Bismarck would win a long range fight because of its Superior accuracy and its … Could Hitler's super warship best the biggest battleship ever built? After a flurry of shellfire on both sides, the Japanese ships open up at range with their twenty-four-inch “Long Lance” torpedoes. However, before long both Bismarck and Tirpitz begin to lose speed, cutting off any chance of escape. As the clouds of war gather, Bismarck, Tirpitz, and a collection of smaller vessels (two heavy cruisers, six destroyers) abandon Tsingtao for the German naval base at Truk. Yamato and Musashi, the largest and most powerfully built ships in history (although perhaps at some disadvantage relative to the American Iowas) utterly outclassed the German ships, and would have defeated them easily. Szybkość była istotnym elementem jej projektu. Still, both German battleships remain shockingly resistant to the damage inflicted by the IJN. More importantly, the imperial ambitions of Kaiserine Germany are worth remembering. Share. Both US and Japanese policy in the Pacific in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (particularly the U.S. seizure of the Philippines) kept German regional ambitions firmly in mind. Właśnie dlatego woleli pancerz niż zwrotność. Japanese gunfire slows the rest of the line, allowing several of the IJN’s support squadron to detach themselves and concentrate on the German battleships. The Bismarck class had eight fifteen-inch guns, each capable of hurling an armor piercing, capped round up to 21.75 miles. Just as Japan chafed against the existence of the British and American empires in Asia, it could well have come into conflict with Berlin. Germany and the United Kingdom might plausibly have come to an accommodation on naval armaments that would have left the Reich with a free hand on the Continent in exchange for the security of the British Empire. Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. The fifteen-inch guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz fire at a greater rate than the Japanese guns, but even when they hit, they do relatively little damage to the vitals of the Japanese ships (although they extensively scar the upper works). Forum rules. Robert Ballard found Bismarck in the Atlantic. At a perfect 45 degree angle, the Yamato's turret armor was … Bismarck vs. Yamato (comparison) - YouTub . Bismarck was actually lost 8 months before Yamato was commissioned, but this is a hypothetical question, so that's okay. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. With Kido Butai (the Japanese carrier force) engaged elsewhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy assigns HIJMS Yamato and HIJMS Musashi (with a similarly constituted support group) the task of catching and destroying the German ships. Rather than fight with a collection of older battleships led by HIJMS Nagato, Admiral Lutjens decides to try his luck with the cream of the Imperial Japanese Navy. The Yamatos, on the other hand, displaced about seventy-two thousand tons, armed with nine 18.1” guns in three triple turrets and capable of twenty-seven knots. Both the Germans and the Japanese have excellent fire control, but the contest is unequal. The Bismarck's Seetakt are fixed in position and require the fire control crew to rotate the rangefinder turret to look in different directions with it. After a flurry of shellfire on both sides, the Japanese ships open up at range with their twenty-four-inch “Long Lance” torpedoes. Image: Japanese battleship Yamato is hit by a bomb near her forward 460mm gun turret, during attacks by U.S. carrier planes as she transited the Sibuyan Sea. Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. With their speed advantage gone, the Germans find themselves in a slugging match with far larger, more heavily armored opponents. Bismarck was faster then Yamato 30 knots vs 27 depending on sources. The Yamatos, on the … The SG is a 10cm or 3cm microwave set with a 360 degree sweep and PPI display. The Bismarcks carried about nineteen thousand tons of armor, albeit in an archaic configuration by World War II standards. But the Yamato also had very suspect damage control discipline, but would probably been nearly immune to the Bismarck’s main guns. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Can we imagine a scenario in which two titans of World War II, the German battleship Bismarck and the Japanese battleship Yamato, would come into conflict? The destroyers Yukikaze and Isokaze brave the secondary armament of the two German behemoths to close within torpedo distance, hitting both targets. The Yamato on the other hand lacked gunnery radar, but with the Bismarck’s going out I don’t see how that is a disadvantage. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. The Germans open fire first, when it becomes apparent that they cannot escape the fight. His work includes military doctrine, national security, and maritime affairs. The Japanese advantages soon tell, and fire from both German ships becomes sporadic and inaccurate. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. Bismarck was faster,.. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. We will assume for our purposes that Germany would construct ships akin to the Bismarck and Tirpitz, and then deploy them to the Far East (in a shorter Great War, Germany might well have retained the naval base at Tsingtao). Lutjens decides to attack before Japanese cruisers and destroyers can close into torpedo range; German intelligence is well-apprised of the capabilities of the Type 93 torpedo, designed to destroy and disable capital ships at a distance. Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. Most of her crew survives the war, however. The remaining Japanese cruisers and destroyers, having disposed of their German counterparts, open up with their own guns and fire their remaining torpedoes. Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. Klasa Iowa została zbudowana, aby eskortować i współpracować z szybkimi przewoźnikami. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. With their speed advantage gone, the Germans find themselves in a slugging match with far larger, more heavily armored opponents. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. A German Empire emerging victorious from the Great War might well have sought to extend those territories, especially in China. The German squadron has a three-knot speed advantage, which it uses to try to pull away from the Japanese and avoid the engagement. The German ships lose the capacity to meaningfully engage the Japanese, and are subjected to withering fire from the battleships. The German squadron has a three-knot speed advantage, which it uses to try to pull away from the Japanese and avoid the engagement. Bismarck vs. Yamato. Bismarck was a well built ship based on the WWI Baden class but would get stomped by Yamato. Yamato vs. Bismarck: Which Mega-Battleship Would Win A Showdown Between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. The Japanese concentrate their fire on Bismarck, which has slowed to a stop and ceased firing. The Wait is Over Here is the most Coolest Battle I've Ever Done Enjoy the video and Stay Awesome Bismarck and her sister Tirpitz displaced about fifty thousand tons, with a speed of roughly thirty knots and an armament of eight fifteen-inch guns in four twin turrets. Robert Farley, a frequent contributor to the National Interest, is author of The Battleship Book. Difficult, but not impossible. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. Both the Germans and the Japanese have excellent fire control, but the contest is unequal. Most of her crew survives the war, however. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. It's more of a plausible scenario than you'd think. An eagle eyed Japanese sailor onboard Yamato sees a German officer strike the ships colors, and miraculously, the order goes out across the fleet to cease firing. Difficult, but not impossible. Increasingly accurate Japanese fire devastates the upper works of the German ships. He blogs at Lawyers, Guns and Money and Information Dissemination and The Diplomat. 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